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Old 02-23-2006, 08:13 PM
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Interesting idea, HHM. I think you're correct that W2'd people can still write off job-related expenses that aren't reimbursed by the company - so individual tax differences between 1099 and W2 may not be all that significant.

Too bad we don't have a resident CPA to help us fill in the blanks on this one. Anybody know one that is internet saavy? My CPA now knows how to send an email, finally, but posting on a forum is a bit over his head still unfortunately.
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Thanks Erik, unfortunately my CPA just figured out that Excel is not short for Excellent lol
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Old 02-23-2006, 08:41 PM
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lol - good one, HHM!
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have you done any research on our program at all??????????
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Old 02-25-2006, 01:21 AM
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with 1099 you can lease a mercedes or porsche and write off the entire thing. i bought a truck last year and got a $25,000 tax break, i agree that every person should do their research and understand the operations of the business they choose but do you picket in front of mc donalds on the weekends because it causes obesity, or do you just drive by??
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I know this is long but I promise it is well worth it to read to the end.
Ok I really don't know where to start. I am trully sorry if you felt as though I was bashing your company, that was not my intention. I have been in this wonderful industry for over 10 years now and have worked for both net branch operations (alot of which are closed now) and corporations, which ever you chose is irrevelant as long as you do it the right way.
Now on to some facts. First I will not pretend that I know all the laws for all the States so I will only discuss Fereral and The State of Michigan regulations regarding this topic.
Fact 1- The difference between W-2 and 1099 is the difference between an employee and a sub-contractor. How do you clasify the difference? Here is the attachment from the Internal Revenue Service that determines this
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/...=99921,00.html
One of the easiest rules regarding this that makes us non-contractors is the fact that we cannot work for more than one mortgage company (broker) at a time (at least in Michigan this is the law). This makes us employees.
Fact 2- If the broker we work for in any way at all instructs us on how to originate, process, handle, or close any loan than we are now an employee. (similar to automotive salespeople)
Fact 3- if you have an office and require the worker to work a certain schedule or have mandatory meetings than that worker is now an employee and not a contractor.
Here is another link to a 160 page manual from the IRS regulating what is and is not an employee. The only reason I am so aware of this is I have been to court in the past about this very issue.
I also do not know where you got your figures for the percentages you can write off for a w-2 vs a 1099 but I do not think they are correct.
Again I am sorry if you take this the wrong way, I have done the research and I have also paid the price in the past and thought it was important to inform the loan officers who might read this thread to at least do their homework before they blindly jumped into something before doing their homework.
Now for the good news. There is a way to protect yourself under a tax shelter and still do things legally as a net branch owner. I can explain it in great detail to those who like (No I am not trying to get anyone to work for me) as the matter of fact if the Midas organization offered this I would reccomend them very highly.
First you need to set up an S Corporation (Most states this cost about $100) or an LLC. Call it a management company.
Second- you become a full fledged Branch Manager w-2 employee of the company (Midas Financial) and are paid a 10% commission (W-2) on all your closed loans. Now you are an employee of the company with proper IRS status.
Third - the company (Midas Financial) pays "your management co" 90% of the commission minus their corporate fees. For services rendered such as advertising, and processing (kind of like hireing an outside processor)
Since Corporate hired your management company as a "contractor" and it is a business to business expense it is not to being reported by the payor (Corporate)
Fourth- at the end of the year you report your w-2 income as usual. The income you report from your management company can either be reported on a schedule C or from the S Corp 1120s form. Either way you now can deduct 100% expensis for your business and not have any of it subject to income tax other than what you allocate as payroll.
I know this may sound kind of confussing but it is actually quite easy once you understand it.
So again as I stated in my first post, I think having a net branch is a great idea and i think Midas is a great company, my only suggestion is to be cautious in how you set up the financial end so you do not get burned from the taxing side.
Thank you for letting me explain in detail.
Jim
Just because you studied doesnt mean youll pass the test.
Of course you can make a corporation, but now your an employee of the corporation and can only write off things involved with that corporation. And to get that type of set up it usually takes a year. But what your talking about is a big jump from talking about netbranching to incorporating. Now set up every lender get licensed and insured in every state. Have however many years you need in that state to get licensed. You went way off topic from 1099 and W2 pay.

W2 can not write off as much as 1099. Being 1099 you can write off things to the point you go negative. Now ask yourself this, could you do that with being W2? NO. Your comparing apples and oranges and talk only from seeing what you read but not understanding it. But I give you a C for effort.
Id give you an A if this were about netbranching and inorporating.
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I guess you did not read any word I posted, and totally blinded by the corporate hype. If you would like to discuss EXACTLY what I am talking about go to my web site, get my phone number and call me. I will be more than happy to discuss this with you in great detail. Remember I AM NOT NOT NOT BANGING ON YOU, MIDAS, OR APEX. I AM AM AM JUST TRYING TO PROTECT YOU, AND MIDAS FROM MAKING FINANCIAL DECISIONS THAT WILL HARM YOU. OK then if you do not want to listen than do not call me. As far as I am concerned this thread is finished and come 04/15/2007 I truly hope you and the IRS do not become very good friends. Good Luck
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