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Old 02-15-2006, 02:36 PM
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Question how can anybody pass this up?

i am confussed? i post everywhere i can about our no nonsence easy to operate independantly ran branch oportunity that pays 100% commission, 1099 pay, has 100's of lenders and only costs $600 per file. i would think everyone and their broker would be jumping at an oportunity like this? what is it that all lo's and brokers are looking for, what is the magic key to gaining your business?we allready have negotiatiated the best live transfer trigger leads in the biz for an unheard of discount, we get contract processing at the lowest price in the industry for licensed completely compliant start to finish loan closing through www.superiorprocessing.com, huge discounts on dialing equipment through www.autoreaper.com, tons of other perks. email me for an application or post here what we are missing so i can add it to what we offer. getmoremoney@msn.com www.midasfinancialgroup.com
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Old 02-18-2006, 09:28 PM
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Old 02-19-2006, 10:06 AM
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Old 02-20-2006, 12:48 PM
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Midas, Please don't take this post the wrong way but in my humble opinion what you have to offer is actually about average to what everyone who has net branch set ups have. Most net branches at least in this area only charge between $300 and $500 per file. As far as the 1099 goes. I did that program back in 1999 and 2000. I wasn't as responsible and organized back than like I am now. I did not set enough aside to cover the taxes and most people who are not experienced with money management won't either. By the time the IRS and State tax authorities were done with me you could have ran a highway up my rear. So if you are or are looking to get involved with a 1099 company please, please, please consult a tax advisor first.
Don't get me wrong I think that Net branching is a wonderful idea after all I am a net branch. I just think the dynamics of the structure should be set up properly so as to not only maximize your income but minimumize your tax risk at the same time. I do wish you luck in your recruiting.
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Midas, please keep in mind that the following is based on a factual comparison on product only.

Personally, I still don't see why some one would pay $1295 for a "refurbished autodialer ( and you still have the cost of the 4 phone lines) and all the way up to $18,000 for technology where you need up to 96...yes that is proven, but soon to be outdated.

From a cost standpoint one, and from the limitations on autodialer technology..it just doesn't make sense.


When a person in direct sales can purchase something that does way more than just an autodialer for $499 to $1499, depending on the features someone wants. (without the upkeep of multiple phone lines)

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Old 02-20-2006, 08:22 PM
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Midas, Please don't take this post the wrong way but in my humble opinion what you have to offer is actually about average to what everyone who has net branch set ups have. Most net branches at least in this area only charge between $300 and $500 per file. As far as the 1099 goes. I did that program back in 1999 and 2000. I wasn't as responsible and organized back than like I am now. I did not set enough aside to cover the taxes and most people who are not experienced with money management won't either. By the time the IRS and State tax authorities were done with me you could have ran a highway up my rear. So if you are or are looking to get involved with a 1099 company please, please, please consult a tax advisor first.
Don't get me wrong I think that Net branching is a wonderful idea after all I am a net branch. I just think the dynamics of the structure should be set up properly so as to not only maximize your income but minimumize your tax risk at the same time. I do wish you luck in your recruiting.
Actually if you set up with midas you can be W2 if you want. There is more benefits to being 1099. You can write as much stuff off as you want. A car lease, up to $75 dollars a day in meals to take out clients, you can deduct every dollar you put in an IRA, the list goes on and on. Being W2 you can only write off 10%, that is nothing.

There is not that many good netbranches out there that charge a flat fee. Alot have forced processing and hidden fees. And I have not met an owner of a company who wouldnt want to be 1099.
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i appreciate the concern, but a netbranch is supposed to be a personally owned entity of the original. we are looking for business owners that want to expand their coverage into 32 states without paying for the licensing and spending hundreds of hours taking tests. if you only want to be an lo then we will set you up with an office near you on a w2 status. i wish you would post as a question or do more research before you start creating doubt in peoples mind. as far as service above all other branch oportunities, i have been involved in several other companies and also researched all netbranch companies over the last 2 years. i can tell you that the midas network offers more then any other oportunity while letting you run as independantly as possible. if you are happy with your current setup then congrats to you, if you are not happy or dont have the opportunity to cover 32 states then email me for an application.
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I know this is long but I promise it is well worth it to read to the end.
Ok I really don't know where to start. I am trully sorry if you felt as though I was bashing your company, that was not my intention. I have been in this wonderful industry for over 10 years now and have worked for both net branch operations (alot of which are closed now) and corporations, which ever you chose is irrevelant as long as you do it the right way.
Now on to some facts. First I will not pretend that I know all the laws for all the States so I will only discuss Fereral and The State of Michigan regulations regarding this topic.
Fact 1- The difference between W-2 and 1099 is the difference between an employee and a sub-contractor. How do you clasify the difference? Here is the attachment from the Internal Revenue Service that determines this
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/...=99921,00.html
One of the easiest rules regarding this that makes us non-contractors is the fact that we cannot work for more than one mortgage company (broker) at a time (at least in Michigan this is the law). This makes us employees.
Fact 2- If the broker we work for in any way at all instructs us on how to originate, process, handle, or close any loan than we are now an employee. (similar to automotive salespeople)
Fact 3- if you have an office and require the worker to work a certain schedule or have mandatory meetings than that worker is now an employee and not a contractor.
Here is another link to a 160 page manual from the IRS regulating what is and is not an employee. The only reason I am so aware of this is I have been to court in the past about this very issue.
I also do not know where you got your figures for the percentages you can write off for a w-2 vs a 1099 but I do not think they are correct.
Again I am sorry if you take this the wrong way, I have done the research and I have also paid the price in the past and thought it was important to inform the loan officers who might read this thread to at least do their homework before they blindly jumped into something before doing their homework.
Now for the good news. There is a way to protect yourself under a tax shelter and still do things legally as a net branch owner. I can explain it in great detail to those who like (No I am not trying to get anyone to work for me) as the matter of fact if the Midas organization offered this I would reccomend them very highly.
First you need to set up an S Corporation (Most states this cost about $100) or an LLC. Call it a management company.
Second- you become a full fledged Branch Manager w-2 employee of the company (Midas Financial) and are paid a 10% commission (W-2) on all your closed loans. Now you are an employee of the company with proper IRS status.
Third - the company (Midas Financial) pays "your management co" 90% of the commission minus their corporate fees. For services rendered such as advertising, and processing (kind of like hireing an outside processor)
Since Corporate hired your management company as a "contractor" and it is a business to business expense it is not to being reported by the payor (Corporate)
Fourth- at the end of the year you report your w-2 income as usual. The income you report from your management company can either be reported on a schedule C or from the S Corp 1120s form. Either way you now can deduct 100% expensis for your business and not have any of it subject to income tax other than what you allocate as payroll.
I know this may sound kind of confussing but it is actually quite easy once you understand it.
So again as I stated in my first post, I think having a net branch is a great idea and i think Midas is a great company, my only suggestion is to be cautious in how you set up the financial end so you do not get burned from the taxing side.
Thank you for letting me explain in detail.
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Old 02-23-2006, 02:02 PM
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Oops here is the IRS 160 page manual for employee vs contractor
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