Gold Calling doesnt work

mamoore · #1 (**permalink**) 05-31-2006, 12:29 PM

Gold calling doesnt work if you cannot close deals. I your a closer then I would say that you will have the upper hand while using the Gold calling system. Its like this.... If you buy leads and you dont close deals you may not have the skills. After all when 4 brokers are all telling the borrower that they are the best .... who is the borrower to believe? Sometimes they stop dead in thrie tracks because it is their biggest investment in there life. Its not fun loosing a deal to a lie either. I have been there done that. Already to close and then someone bought the same lead after I worked it for 20 days and are ready to close. The borrower fell for a stupid lie and I loose the deal.It stinks , I know.

So you find a lead company selling exclusive leads for 60 bucks each. Ouch.Thats kindof a high price to pay with no guarantee.

Gold calling leads are exclsuive.... because you are the one who generated then. Unless your selling the lead or the borrower applied somewhere else..... these leads are exclusive.

So even if you are not the best closer , I would say that the leads generated by Gold calling will help you close more loans for less money spent.

I was reading the battle on Gold Calling and WOW . I cannot believe that KellyG is up to his old tricks in the MBL.

If you want more information , let me know.

I saw the thread by kelly g..... it was him talking to himself just as it is in all the forums. I dont care who you buy gold calling from..... I would say the smartest buy would be from a broker not just a reseller.

I generated 25 calls and spent ten bucks. 10 calls were not interested and I spent NO time on those because my system did that for me with autoresponders. 15 good calls and out of those 3 of them will be taking a loan from me. Pretty nice for spending 10 bucks.

The original startup is $1500. but after that you can spend as much or as lttle as your budget allows.$10 for a couple of loans or a few hundred for a bunch of loans.

I also find that lead providers are threatened by Gold calling .WHY? because they use some of these same tactics to generate their leads, then they sell them to you for top dollar. and to a few other brokers ...... hmmmmmmm

Erik · #2 (**permalink**) 05-31-2006, 04:39 PM

Do you hire a voice talent for your call campaigns, Mark? Or do you record the messages yourself?

mamoore · #3 (**permalink**) 05-31-2006, 05:03 PM

I do it myself. I have looked into the voice talent. I feel there is NO need.I spoke to someone who is doing that but I dont buy that it works better.My voice with conviction works for me. The key is getting the call back and using a voice talent may get you calls but they may not want a loan.

midas · #4 (**permalink**) 06-03-2006, 06:34 PM

i find this thread very hard to swallow, first of all isnt kelleyg an employee of the software company that produces gold calling?? secondly, i have a copy of all of your voice recordings and dont see where anyone would respond. third, you told me yourself that you make more money from selling gold calling then you have ever made selling mortgages. gold calling was developed for multi level marketing and all of the emails and data are from opt in mlm'ers. i have used the system and was so dissapointed that i created "Midas Calling", a true voip system that only costs .4 cents per minute including pre scrubbed data and only charges for connected calls, best of all it dosnt cost a thing to get setup!

mamoore · #5 (**permalink**) 06-04-2006, 12:43 AM

Midas,

Nice to see you. Its been a while. As far as selling Gold calling and making more money selling it, than selling mortgages....... Maybe for two months or so. I am not actively selling Gold calling anymore. It is very Time consuming!

As far as opening this thread about Gold calling, I was reading the two other threads that are now locked. I cant believe that there is all of this competition with the gold calling software. Yes you get a grand for everyone who buys it and its a nice residual income so I can see how someone could be aggressive and try to sell the crap out of it, but much more money to be made selling mortgages.

If anyone wants to buy this to USE IT......It works. I don't care what anyone says. The Only way it doesn't work,Like I said when I opened this thread,"It doesn't work if you stink at closing deals."
Nice to see your at it again with your Midas calling. I am sure you will be able to recruit more people with the marketing that you offer.

I do think that Gold Calling is much more than a voice shot.It has a bunch of other features that will help the individual loan officer or even a small office better than just a voip system.

I would like to apologize for Our battle in the Outpost. I think that it was more trying to crack a joke and things were taken way out of hand. Although You and I may not ever be friends..... I am sorry,

I hope your Mortgage business is going well.

ANOTHER REASON WHY I POSTED ABOUT GOLD CALLING IS TO EDUCATE.

I have found ways to get business without spending a ton of money, That is kindof what I have been known for.Don't get me wrong I have spent A Ton on expensive things but, I find that as long as your able to get the same number of contacts from targeted marketing..... you will get the same results no matter what the cost was. I believe that Gold calling is one of those inexpensive things. OK it does cost $1500 or a smaller version for $500. But over a course of a year ....... not a ton of money to generate some good leads.

I think that the only way to get to be a "top producer" is to have many different marketing strategies. After you track it and you can almost count on the same volume each month. Focus on nitch markets and have great Data when marketing by telemarketed ,web traffic, direct mail, realtor Gold calling and any other leads or transfers you may be buying. Referral businessand realtor business as well.

I also think that the Direction Our Industry is heading and the technology available that your going to see a lot more things come out. Heck look at encompass..... OMG. That LOS is awesome. Then Gold calling..... and NYLX.Also some of the lead companies out there are finally getting with the program and offering some great leads. I think its because they have been exposed to the technology too.

kellyg · #6 (**permalink**) 06-04-2006, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by midas

i find this thread very hard to swallow, first of all isnt kelleyg an employee of the software company that produces gold calling?? secondly, i have a copy of all of your voice recordings and dont see where anyone would respond. third, you told me yourself that you make more money from selling gold calling then you have ever made selling mortgages. gold calling was developed for multi level marketing and all of the emails and data are from opt in mlm'ers. i have used the system and was so dissapointed that i created "Midas Calling", a true voip system that only costs .4 cents per minute including pre scrubbed data and only charges for connected calls, best of all it dosnt cost a thing to get setup!

Nope....I'm not an "employee" of Gold Calling Midas.....you know that.
I haven't been someone's employee since 97''.

As far as "Midas Calling", look up http://www.voicebroadcastingsolutions.com

You'll find it there.

kellyg · #7 (**permalink**) 06-04-2006, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mamoore

Gold calling doesnt work if you cannot close deals. I your a closer then I would say that you will have the upper hand while using the Gold calling system. Its like this.... If you buy leads and you dont close deals you may not have the skills. After all when 4 brokers are all telling the borrower that they are the best .... who is the borrower to believe? Sometimes they stop dead in thrie tracks because it is their biggest investment in there life. Its not fun loosing a deal to a lie either. I have been there done that. Already to close and then someone bought the same lead after I worked it for 20 days and are ready to close. The borrower fell for a stupid lie and I loose the deal.It stinks , I know.

So you find a lead company selling exclusive leads for 60 bucks each. Ouch.Thats kindof a high price to pay with no guarantee.

Gold calling leads are exclsuive.... because you are the one who generated then. Unless your selling the lead or the borrower applied somewhere else..... these leads are exclusive.

So even if you are not the best closer , I would say that the leads generated by Gold calling will help you close more loans for less money spent.

I was reading the battle on Gold Calling and WOW . I cannot believe that KellyG is up to his old tricks in the MBL.

If you want more information , let me know.

I saw the thread by kelly g..... it was him talking to himself just as it is in all the forums. I dont care who you buy gold calling from..... I would say the smartest buy would be from a broker not just a reseller.

I generated 25 calls and spent ten bucks. 10 calls were not interested and I spent NO time on those because my system did that for me with autoresponders. 15 good calls and out of those 3 of them will be taking a loan from me. Pretty nice for spending 10 bucks.

The original startup is $1500. but after that you can spend as much or as lttle as your budget allows.$10 for a couple of loans or a few hundred for a bunch of loans.

I also find that lead providers are threatened by Gold calling .WHY? because they use some of these same tactics to generate their leads, then they sell them to you for top dollar. and to a few other brokers ...... hmmmmmmm

Best be quick MM!

Uhhh....didn't know gold calling has an autoresponder? (I spent no time dealing with the 10 not interesteds because my autoresponder took care of that) These were most likely people that said take me off your list. And you know it doesn't have an autoresponder, so why give people the impression it does? It does have emailing capability for such activities as sending a newsletter to a group of prospects...one at a time.

Curious as well...? Who did you use to get such a low rate on your voicebroadcast....must be around a penny a contact! $10 for 25 call backs? hmmm.? From talking with others in direct sales professions, and from my experience is that with the right, targeted lead list, and the right message, a good call back average to gauge is around 3%.

So, if we take your stats...if you're on ave. , you'd need at least 800 connects, either live, or voicemail to have 25 call backs.. on the low end if you're using somone like Voicebroadcasting Solutions, out of Florida....at 4cents a contact...who by the way is going to scrub your list against state, federal, residential, and business DNC lists..no matter what....you have to send them a lot of data. And that would still cost you at least $32, not $10.

On the other hand, if you use someone like Voice Shot out of Chicago, that will allow you to sign a liability waiver and send to a list, not scrubbed, it will cost you around 12.5 cents a minute...I've had an account with them for almost a year now. That same contact/call back ratio would have cost you at least $100, especially if you are allowing the prospect to "press one to talk to someone now" feature.

So, you must be getting some pretty "HOT" leads, or you must have an "AWESOME" message.......or it must a been a fluke...or maybe you're just not being straight in your sales pitch...

Personally, I'm sending a 1000 connects per day on ave., and since I am using 3-7 day fresh leads, I don't want them scrubbed. I'm spending maybe $100 per day to generate 30 call backs on ave. about my business, sometimes more, sometimes less.

midas · #8 (**permalink**) 06-05-2006, 09:44 AM

mark, appology accepted. i was over it that same day, the outpost gets pretty aggressive at times and needs to be taken lightly when the heat pours out. im glad to see you are learning that getting all bent out of shape over some posted nonsence isnt worth a dime. i hope all is well in your world and now lets work on adam LOL!

midas · #9 (**permalink**) 06-05-2006, 09:47 AM

kellyg, my bad. i thought you worked with the software company that developed gold calling. no big deal. are you an mlm'er, or just a reseller of different software products? do you do mortgages, or just sell gc? have you checked out www.MFGopportunity.com

kellyg · #10 (**permalink**) 06-05-2006, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by midas

kellyg, my bad. i thought you worked with the software company that developed gold calling. no big deal. are you an mlm'er, or just a reseller of different software products? do you do mortgages, or just sell gc? have you checked out www.MFGopportunity.com

I'm a founder of a technologies based company in "loss prevention", http://www.blancapeak.ws Do a google search on Blanca Peak Technologies and you'll find some press out there regarding some nifty biometric i.d. stuff we've developed.

Regarding GC, my company is a reseller of the product...timing/need/market opportunity made it a good fit to our product portfolio.