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Old 01-28-2006, 04:04 PM
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Talking So you wanna go out on your own ...

So you wanna go out on your own ...

There you sit, one of the best Loan Officers at your company. Although you measure your career in terms of only months, you feel your broker/owner is clueless and you can do a better job than he/she can … any day of the week. Knowing this industry is a very entrepreneurial one at its core – you quietly plan to make a break for it, and jump up and start your own mortgage company. You know in your heart, you haven't been trained too well, but "sales is sales" you think, therefore you'll be fine in your own operation. Believing 'referrals' is the only way to attract potential new applicants (because you boss never did teach/show you any other method) you tell yourself, you've got all these referral sources, so how hard can it be to run your own firm, right?

Well, as an LO focusing exclusively on your own commission and sales – you frequently were thinking "I'm in this for the money, not the risk" – but now as a new entrepreneur that attitude should change immediately. You want your share of the American Dream, to own your own business (and that comes with lots and lots of risk), but lets do it right – instead of half-way like your current boss did!
There's a great deal of risk when you own your own shop, as well there should be. You're about to become a central figure in a drama about the largest single financial decision most families make in their entire lifetime. This is not the sort of place for you to 'learn on the job' while brutalizing consumers and any new employees, with your lack of understanding of correct procedures, or the many laws that regulate you and your new company, or your uncertainty of appropriate integrity & ethical issues you'll be confronted with. Being an owner/operator entrepreneur is nothing like being a ‘sales type' person, managing a business is different. If all you bring to the party are sales-skills, you're sure to fall flat – let's do it right!

With ample planning, in your new operation you'll probably want to hire employees like Loan Officers; then you should correctly W-2 them with a salary (paying all the proper payroll taxes naturally – just like a real business does – since we both know they're not really 1099 independent contractors – so why cheat them) and a bonus structure for those who excel in the performance of their job duties. Your focus should be teaching them to be ‘underwriter' types, since the true job of an LO isn't "selling" (like a car salesmen 'promise maker') but rather as a problem solver ('promise keeper') by putting each customer into the loan which best suits their family needs. When you inject into the LO/customer relationship "big commissions" you are absolutely asking for integrity and ethical issues to be in your face (the new boss) all the time. If your new LO's are salaried "employees", they can sidestep those common and widespread problems in your new company, and also you'll have more money yourself to pay for good working conditions, afford up to date equipment, advertise for customers, and pay your employer share of payroll taxes, benefits, etc.

Moving forward as a new 21st century employer, it's time for you to change the culture and tone of your own shop, since as the boss you're allowed to do that! By removing the big commission and sales attitudes from LO's you breed, it will tend to infect your entire enterprise. You'll quickly notice an enhanced feeling of personal dignity and professional pride, which you now see lacking with your present boss and fellow LOs. It's that sort of new direction you'll find fulfilling as an owner/operator; it in turn will help lead to a long running and stable company for you!

As an entrepreneur owner/operator there are many new things you must learn to be able to stay in business. Since ‘getting into' business is relatively easy, the challenge is to ‘stay' in business. Our industry has many so-called mentors, education, training, and consulting services where you can learn all those non-sales duties you have to know. I suggest, as you consider which advisor you'll select to help you, that you focus on their individual experience and industry accomplishments. Pick somebody that as an owner themselves, they've done what you want to learn – that's your best bet. Good Luck!
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Old 01-30-2006, 01:52 PM
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Do you have to be a LO for 5 years to become a broker or is that just a myth? I've been in the business 8 months and I basically trained myself. And I think I'm pretty dam good at it. I'm just sick of the commission that I get 30% and want more. I think I deserve more when I sell these loans.
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Hi Brendo,

It depends on your states licensing requirements. Are you sure you want to be a broker with that title comes alot of responsiblity. Perhaps you might just want to change the company you work for. For instance if you become a broker you will need to be approved with lenders most if not all of the broker application/agreements state you will be required to buy back a loan if fraud is involved and of course there is the bigger matter, who is responsible for the fraud and the little criminal investigation that will go with that.

Being a broker involves so much more than selling loans. If you do decide this is the route for you, I wish you widsom, and deep pockets. I would advise you get a great lawyer and as much insurance as you can get your hands on.
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30% is a pretty low split. 50% is about the minimum I would take for a full-service shop (paid advertising & marketing, mail budget, office space, laptop, etc). I agree with Amanda that you should look around for other companies to see what else is out there, before jumping straight to your own shop.
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Old 01-30-2006, 04:45 PM
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At this point brendo927, you don't yet know the magnitude of things you are clueless about right now. The tonage of what you haven't seen yet will surprise you. Start your going out on my own thinking at month 24
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Old 01-30-2006, 05:35 PM
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I got offered a job at Aegis subprime but I would have to charge people like 4-5 points on a loan. It was a brand new branch. Benefits, salary, 401k, profit sharing. The tiers for loans closed was a little strange to me. Maybe I should take a job like that. I do all my training myself with no help. Maybe its the fact that I live in Rhode Island who is notorious for having shady chop shops.
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Old 01-31-2006, 10:55 AM
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We've got some pretty good materials and services where I work brendo927, maybe you can check it out to help you get some trainng you need
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Old 01-31-2006, 11:02 AM
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Where do you work?
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Old 01-31-2006, 01:38 PM
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Brendo, Theres alot of good advice in this thread for you. As already mentioned going out on your own can be quite costly as well as very time consuming setting up, organizing, and running a business. Dealing with all business owners nightmares like all State and Federal regulations, Tax Laws, Wage and Hour regulations (If you ever plan on hireing anyone).
When you talk about them (the shop) making 70% because you only make 30%, keep in mind they have all the risk and expensis to go along with that risk. Depending on the amount of volumn they do they may only be netting as little as 15-20% proffits.

Here is another Idea Instead of going out on your own.
1- Learn as much about your business as possible. (eight months is just not enough time yet)
2- When you can effectively and efficiently originate loans, process loans, submit loans, clear all the various conditions on loans, and close loans.
3- Switch to a net branch operation. For as little as 300-500 per file and you keep 100% after. Now you get all the money with very little risk.

My only recomendation is to make sure you are ready to start and work files from start to finish, and do so with honesty and integrity to your profession. There are alot of "Net Branches" operators out there who are not ready yet and when they do not effectively take care of the client due to inexperience it creates a negativity to our industry.

It sounds as though you are willing to go the extra mile for your clients and you are trying to get as much out of this industry as possible which is great and I commend you for that. If you were in MI or Fla I would bring you on myself and prepare you for your next level. I am sorry you are not getting the training you deserve now but don't give up, but don't rush into it either. You will do just fine.
As Eric said you may want to find a shop now that will not only pay you at least 50% but will train you as well
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Old 01-31-2006, 02:49 PM
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I got #2 covered pretty well. I'm only 23 years old. I'm the youngest LO in my shop right now and am currently dealing with going after my former boss for fees he owes me. Took some advice from you guys and and filed a claim with the Banking Commission. I learned a hell of a lot from online and doing my own thing. In 8 months I have probably closed 30+ loans which isn't too great for 8 months. I just can't find a shop who will take in someone who is a little rough around the edges( not enough training) but knows his stuff. All the shops Ive seen in RI have been chop shops and have a tendency to have a large turnout for LO's. I need a company with some structure and disipline. It gives me my motivation.
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